Given the choice between pursuing a high-paying career and taking on volunteer work post-college education, what would you choose? The choice may be obvious for the majority of us. But for someone who sees the world differently, throwing oneself into volunteerism offers a unique opportunity that only those who seek godly rewards will pursue.
In the first episode of our 2-part interview with David Burton, we explore the subject of volunteering in pursuit of God’s kingdom. David brings a unique perspective to the intersection of faith and work as he has built a career as a volunteer in campus ministries for most of his life while engaging in the real estate business. Listen now and learn how a self-described “professional volunteer” who refuses to keep up with the Joneses navigated a society that puts a premium on wealth building.
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About David Burton
David is the owner of Burton Properties LLC for 28 years along with being a partner in several other LLCs in the Kentucky area. Born and raised in Roanoke, Virginia, he received his degree from Virginia Tech. David is a business owner and a real estate investor with a heart for ministry, with one foot in the ministry world and the other in the business world. Aside from Burton Properties, he owns restaurants and a few other business ventures.
David is married to Mary Beth for 38 years and together they have three children and four grandchildren.
Given the choice between pursuing a high-paying career and taking on volunteer work post-college education, what would you choose? The choice may be obvious for the majority of us. But for someone who sees the world differently, throwing oneself into volunteerism offers a unique opportunity that only those who seek godly rewards will pursue.
In the first episode of our 2-part interview with David Burton, we explore the subject of volunteering in pursuit of God’s kingdom. David brings a unique perspective to the intersection of faith and work as he has built a career as a volunteer in campus ministries for most of his life while engaging in the real estate business. Listen now and learn how a self-described “professional volunteer” who refuses to keep up with the Joneses navigated a society that puts a premium on wealth building.
Key Points From This Episode:
Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:
Click to Find out more about our upcoming event: "Crafting Your Kingdom Investing Thesis"
About David Burton
David is the owner of Burton Properties LLC for 28 years along with being a partner in several other LLCs in the Kentucky area. Born and raised in Roanoke, Virginia, he received his degree from Virginia Tech. David is a business owner and a real estate investor with a heart for ministry, with one foot in the ministry world and the other in the business world. Aside from Burton Properties, he owns restaurants and a few other business ventures.
David is married to Mary Beth for 38 years and together they have three children and four grandchildren.
EPISODE 15
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ANNOUNCER: Imagine taking your generosity to the next level, impacting more lives, and leaving a godly legacy for generations to come. Get ideas and strategies to do just that when you listen to these personal stories from high-level Kingdom champions.
The Kingdom Investor Podcast showcases business leaders who have moved from success to significance, sharing how they use worldly wealth for Kingdom impact. Discover how they grew in generosity, impacted more lives, and built godly legacies. You'll find motivation, inspiration, and practical steps to grow as a Kingdom Investor.
Daniel White (DW): Welcome to The Kingdom Investor Podcast. This is your host Daniel White, and today I'm interviewing Dave Burton. Dave and Mary Beth have been married for 38 years and have three children and four grandchildren. Dave is a business owner and a real estate investor with a heart for ministry. He owns Burton Properties, the local taco and a few other business ventures. With one foot in the ministry world and the other in the business world. Dave brings a unique perspective to the intersection of faith and work.
If you're ready to take your investing to the next level by aligning your investing strategy with your faith, values and passions, join us in our next online workshop where we guide you through the process of discovering your God-given passions and crafting your kingdom investing thesis. Space is limited. So sign up today at kingdomthesis.eventbrite.com. Hope to see you guys there.
Without further ado, let's jump right into the show.
[INTERVIEW]
DW: Good morning and welcome to The Kingdom Investor Podcast. Today I have my friend Dave Burton with us in the studio. So Dave, would you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself, where you're located and just kind of give an intro?
David Burton (DB): Yeah. We live here in Lexington. My wife, Mary Beth, and I have been married for 38 years. We have three grown children, two boys and a girl. We have been here in Lexington for the last 35 years. So this has really become home. Definitely, home for our children. I'm originally from Virginia. Do you like a little background on that?
DW: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
DB: I'll go back a little bit further. I grew up in Roanoke, Virginia, the southwest part of the state. Went to school at Virginia Tech, and became a Christian in high school through our church ministry. But when I was at Virginia Tech, was very involved in the ministry of Campus Crusade for Christ and that is true today. And it had very a foundational impact on me, a lot of practical hands-on ministry in a secular university, and had a big impact. When I graduated, I came on staff with them full-time many years ago. So I spent most of the early years in the Midwest and then late 80s, was asked to come down as director of ministry at the University of Kentucky. So that's what brought us to this area.
DW: Gotcha. That's good. Do you mind praying for our listeners as we get started here and just that, you know, God would use this show to inspire and motivate people to invest in His kingdom?
DB: Sure.
Thank you for this beautiful morning that we enjoy. We thank you for your heart, for the things we talk about. We pray that we do represent them well, that you'd be pleased and that we would kind of encourage each other with love and good deeds. Show us how to do that. Lord, we are so grateful for what this podcast is about. We pray for its success and for its expansion throughout the nation. In Christ's name, we pray.
DW: Amen. Thank you, David. So can you tell us a little bit about your career and how that started and your ministry?
DB: You know, going back away in college, I was a marketing major and enjoy business. My dad was a businessman, he had his own company and considered going into that. But the Lord kind of got a hold of my heart to college. And I was like, I would just rather at least for a while toward myself, and working with people. And so I, so that was part of my decision, I really thought I'd probably be in a church-based ministry. But then, working with college students, I realized what a strategic area and how much I enjoyed it. And so we kind of moved into that. So my wife and I both from a kingdom perspective, just thought that's the best use of our, what God has given us is to reinvest in college students.
DB: So we did that for many years, really nearly 20 years. To some degree, though, about 15 of that was really full-time. After that, my professional career sort of split to some degree because in the early 90s, I began investing in real estate. I had at earlier times but had put it to the side because of how busy raising three kids and running a ministry was. I put that to the side. But things changed, I was no longer director. I was actually taking a year off to go to seminary, and at that same time, a property that I had held for a while sold. And I've had to reinvest that. That ended up being reinvested on campus, a campus property. Well, that went well and I decided, let's do that again.
DB: So very quickly, I had a few properties. And then with that, probably inadvertently, made a decision or maybe, maybe, directly but it was kind of like, well, if three of these works this well, let's just go ahead and do some more. So I began replicating a little pattern I'd come up with. Most investors are like that, they find something that works, and then they replicate it. And that's what I did very quickly for about a seven, eight-year period, and expanded very quickly. And then had the funding to live off of if I so chose but we decided to stay on staff. We enjoy what we're doing and we're able to lessen the needs of our support raising. But then eventually it became obvious that it is probably better for us just go to a full-time volunteer situation.
DW: Right. Yeah, that makes sense.
DB: So since then, that was in the early 2000s, where we kind of made that split. We've continued to volunteer quite a bit. My wife and I kind of laugh that we're professional volunteers. And if you looked at our schedule through those years, you would say, yeah, you put a lot of time into places, particularly even some, more so my wife almost 40 hours a week, and I do a lot of things. But on the real estate side, we began, as often happens, I don't know if I was bored or was interested in other areas but I had a good basis of real estate to work off of. So we began moving towards commercial things, which I did to some success, sometimes failures in that area. But we began developing more multifamily and commercial properties around Lexington. Built quite a few places. Got involved in some different businesses, have partners in a couple of restaurants and coffee shops, metal fabrication and finishing. So we've got a variety of things that we're involved in these days that I enjoy. Honestly, looking back, I was probably entrepreneurial from early on. I was buying bicycles when I was a kid and fixing them up and selling them to other kids. Did the same thing with cars. It's a pattern through my life. Actually when you're older and you look back, you realize, I've been doing this my whole life.
DW: Yeah. So it sounds like at least in the beginning, the primary way that you invest in God's kingdom was really your time. So what did that look like as a professional volunteer, as you said? What did like your week look like?
DB: Well, it varied. We were still continuing to go to campus. And so, I would swing by some of the schools here locally and counsel other staff and help them. But now with flexibility, maybe sometimes on the way home, I would stop and take care of an issue, meet with the manager, things like that. My wife was involved in Bible Study Fellowship and still is. But as a teaching leader, she, it took 30-40 hours a week. So, she was doing that. She's never really been that involved in the real estate side. And that's fine. We just had different interests and that worked out well. But it gave me flexibility. At times, I wonder if I've always been efficient with my time. Unfortunately, when you have a little more time than you need some days, you stretch out your work in ways that aren't as efficient. But, it works.
DW: Yeah, absolutely. So I guess the reason that I was asking that is because a lot of times when you get into business and investing, it's just really all-consuming. And it's like, you know, get to the next deal as fast as you can and run, run, run. And so, how did you kind of balance investing a lot of your time early on in ministry, and still doing business on the side? You know, building up this portfolio of rental property and different investment opportunities. What did that look like?
DB: Well, I will say intentionally, I took my foot off the pedal a few times, knowing that, why do I need any more? There's always opportunities out there. It's a little slimmer these days, it seems like, naturally. But when the economy, anytime that changes, good or bad, there's gonna be new opportunities. And it's kind of hard to say no. And there's some times I should have said, no, really. I have gotten involved in things that taken a lot more of my time and ate my time but didn't make much money. But as I say, always, always either make money or get an education. I've gotten education a few times.
DB: But the wins have been much more than the losses. So that works out okay. You know, it's a tricky, tricky balance there. I think it requires actually more discipline. When I was on staff, you knew that was your job, and you needed to show up and you had people responsible to you. When you don't have that as much it takes more initiative, yeah, to stay on task. And, and I have actually, I've struggled with that at times where I feel like I'm not really using myself well, or I probably can be doing more. My natural bent is to, I enjoy using my hands, I enjoy projects that I can see immediate progress in as a real estate investment. Especially early on, we had no money, but we had some time, scratch some time together. So I did a lot of things myself, but I enjoy that. I still do a lot of things myself, just to kind of stay in the mix, so to speak, and I enjoy seeing the progress. So often in a kind of ministry setting, you don't see the results right away. You have to wait a long time and look back on your life and say, oh, that was a significant investment I made. So anyway, yeah.
DW: I can really relate to that a lot. Because, you know, I have a background in construction. And so I've loved, at the end of the day, just saying, hey, I built that. I created that out of you know, nothing or material or, and it was really just, it's so satisfying. And then you do ministry, and you're investing for a really long long-term investing, and you don't get to see the results for a long time. And sometimes there aren't any results, in some cases.
DB: Absolutely, yeah.
DW: So, one of the things that we've started doing in our small group is really trying to highlight the things that God is doing in the last couple of weeks or in the last couple of months and everything. And remember to worship Him for how He has been faithful in our lives and how he's continuing to be faithful. Because it's just you need that encouragement to see and look back on lives changed and relationships built and people taking, you know, one step closer to being a true disciple of Jesus Christ just so you can continue on in investing,
DB: Right. To me, that's remembering the whys of what we're doing. And if you don't revisit that or revisit that often you will grow very weary. And sometimes it, yeah, you have times where you don't have a lot to show. And you have to look, and fight for what you can, and let's emphasize that for today. In investing, I tell my sons, I say, yeah, there's some days you, you just have to focus on what you have and not what you don't have. That usually comes after you've missed a big deal or something's gone horribly sideways. You just got to put that aside and say, "what do I have for today?" And you do the same thing in ministry at times. You know, there's conflict, there's issues, there's things that you don't put in the newsletter but there's stuff that happens. And you got to really look at what God is doing and how he's working in your life. And not necessarily always in someone else's life.
DW: Right. So let's talk a little bit more, and drill down on the business and how you got into different real estate opportunities and different business ventures and everything.
DB: Yeah, you know, we started with a duplex on campus. Though we had, we're in Chicago, at Northwestern University, I had a duplex there. We lived downstairs or not the upstairs. And it worked well. And when I sold it, we did well on it. And that gave us a little bit of seed money. So that was my first taste of real estate. And it was a good taste. They weren't you know, for me, fortunately, the first one went well. Doesn't always happen that way but for me, it did. And though I set that on the back burner for a number of years, because of the work we were doing, the age of my kids, I needed to give that my full attention. But when I did or kind of come back to that, in the early 90s. You know, like I said, it went well. I owned a single-family house, it just kind of languished. I bought it early on and sat on it for about five years. When that sold, I was like, hopefully there's something better. And then, I did find that what better and then fairly quickly figured out a pattern of buying things within walking distance to the campus. Something that was old, it could be renovated. Something that we could put money into push the value or the money back out and move on to the next one, because we didn't have very much income. But we, so it was important for us to keep some seed money, fresh, so we could...
DW: So, how did you get into your first deal coming out of ministry or being in ministry and not really having a large income?
DB: Yeah, we, at least on one of those properties, we had a co-signer. We did find a bank that was a small local bank that worked with us and could see our track record. I did not have a lot of history, they took a risk on me. But once I got established going in, in some ways it got easier, in some ways, it got harder. But those first few, I guess I'd already had a taste of it earlier on. So I kind of knew that could work. It was just a matter of could. And really when I found something that worked well, that's when I would suggest, and so I counsel others today when you find something you like and it works well, okay, it's time to dig in and repeat that. If it's possible, and usually is and that's what I did.
DW: Gotcha. So you were talking about getting into more commercial space and what kind of properties were you acquiring in that space?
DB: About 10 years in, I got involved in some development of some townhomes, 66 townhomes that we developed out on the edge of town. Another city close by with a friend did another 20 or so. Those were kind of larger developments that were definitely away from the onesie, twosie that I had done. We found some land and develop some properties that we can we built about 13 properties there within a few years' stretch, and kind of went on a tear. And suddenly, looked back and think, I should have stuck with that. As our larger projects went fine. But we had to wait for a long time for them to really come to fruition. And they were good long-term holds, but they did not produce a lot of cash early on. And I might have just stayed where I was. So that was one chapter.
DB: Later on when my oldest son was out of college and he began developing. He worked for a commercial broker for a little while. He set his sights more on commercial properties. So, really for the last several years, I've been following him around as his bird dog. Found places that are good opportunities but he has kind of led the way on that. And so, we've had a good partnership where I've had the financial stability, lending ability and so on. He's had, he's good on his feet. He goes out and finds places So that's quite a good partnership for me and for him. And I would suggest that for anybody; you need different aspects to be an investor, you need the ability to find properties and develop. But you also need financial backing. And if you don't have either of those, you find someone who does. And that would probably be a good partnership for you doing something either you can't do or you don't want to do. But you do have some financial footing that you can actually help make it happen. That's a good example. Through the restaurants or through him as well, that's where I got started that kind of a different chapter that I've enjoyed, has been good.
DW: Gotcha. When did the restaurant start?
DB: 2011. Local taco here in Lexington, and then coffee shops here in the last few years through building it at Dudley Square that we acquired. And so that's been successful.
DW: Good, good. So now, tell us more about what you're doing now with ministry and you mentor a lot of people and, and disciple different people. And tell us a little bit more about what you're doing. As far as that goes?
DB: Well, some of that is just as it happens, I get calls pretty regularly from particularly young men who just want to talk and which I'm glad to talk about. Told my story and coach them a little bit on what maybe they can invest in, and what would fit them well. So that happens, part of a small group that meets weekly. I lend my time to particularly young life. Been on their committee and committee chair for a number of years and counsel their staff and also help got a few things there as well. That's one of the bigger things. Our church, I'm involved with pretty heavily there, young couples class, my wife and I coach and teach. Those are some of the areas that we're involved in.
DW: So would you mind sharing, one of the failures that you've maybe learned the most from in the investing and business world?
DB: Probably, yeah, just more recently, in the last few years, I got involved in a project that did not have the supervision that it really needed. I went in as a passive investor throwing some money into it. Like a good project, it'd be interesting to be involved in. It nearly collapsed. I and one of the other investors jumped in the middle of it. And it sucked a couple of years of my time that I would have liked to have had back as well as more money. But, so I would, I would call it a successful failure like Apollo 13. And that, it did not suck us under but it could have hurt a lot more than it did. And in hindsight, I have promised all those close to me that I will not ever get involved in a project like that again. I may be divorced or fatherless if I do, because I would come home and complain about my day of what I'm doing to salvage something that wasn't my mess.
DB: But I mean, to some degree, it was. No one put a gun to my head and invest and I did. But I had to dig our way out. And we are out now. So that's, so it can happen. And that didn't happen 20 years ago, that happened like three or four years ago. So anybody can make a mistake. The only thing I can say is I guarded my downside, I signed off on some loans with that, but only to a limited degree, knowing that the downside is only gonna be so far down. That being said, when it came down to it, I didn't want to lose that money too. So it was like, well, I can either grab a shovel and start digging and get us out of here or I can let it collapse and take a much bigger hit. So it was a definite failure. And it's probably a lesson that most of us are more prone to failure than we realize. And it could have been pride that was the root of that than I thought I was that I would not make a mistake and I did.
DW: Right. So shifting gears here a little bit. Let's talk about what you see looking back as some of the key things that really changed the trajectory of your faith walk and really helped you to see, okay, how do I invest in God's kingdom? How do I invest in things that matter? And you know, maybe, maybe even, you know, some of the barriers to growing in being more generous and being a kingdom investor.
DB: All right. Well, you know, you've highlighted here Journey of Generosity. That word “journey“ is a very appropriate word, particularly for me that has been that and we're still on it. I've listened to your podcast and been pleased by the people I've heard and realized, sure, if I'm as far as in the journey as I need to be, you know, I need to pick up the pace. So that's been something for me to consider. But, our journey is interesting in that we both had opportunities coming out of college to have lucrative careers. Me in my father's business would have been a natural, my wife's an occupational therapist by trade. We could have, we could have done very well financially right off the bat. And yet we chose to go out and work for a campus ministry. No complaints but it was a definite choice that we are not going to keep up with the Joneses or any of our other friends making the kind of money we are going to make. And we knew that and we were fine with that. We decided that was the Lord's call on our lives and we're not making a sacrifice for this. This is our pleasure; we did this for the Lord.
DB: So that's a part of our journey. So some things were sacrificed early on, as far as openhandedness. You almost put yourself in that situation, you know, just like someone going into maybe education or something else, you're just not going to make a lot there and you're making that choice eyes wide open. So, we had other options, we chose not to go that way and we worked with people in campus ministry who are very talented and had skills that in the marketplace could have made a lot of money. And so I loved the staff that we worked with, and I was very proud of them. And we were all making sacrifices to be there and do what we did. So that kind of was formative for us.
DW: So, you were pretty young at that time.
DB: Yeah, 22.
DW: So what led up to that in making some of those big decisions and sacrifices early on and really setting the trajectory of where you're going?
DB: Well, I don't know. There's a variety of things. I think, for me, especially some entrepreneurial buttons and genes and my background. I was fortunate to see, my dad was a neat and a great man. I learned a lot from him but also learned from him watching him spend money on things, and seeing how temporal they were, and realizing those aren't going to last. And frankly, even in my own testimony, I was pretty materialistic early on. Had a car when I was 16, and spent a lot of money fixing it up. Back in those days, it was mag wheels and tri-axial speakers and things like that. And I spent a ton of time keeping that thing clean. I mean, if a speck of dust got on it, then it was time to wash it. So I was pretty materialistic in those days. And yet, even in my journey to coming to faith, I realized, this ain't it? I can look ahead and see what's coming. If I just keep doing this, I'm going to end up like this and that's not a life worth living. At the same time, I watch some other fellas, this was in high school, I watched some other fellas who seemed they had joy that I did not have. They had hope and confidence I didn't have and I was like, I'm on the wrong track here. And that's what led me to become a Christian.
DB: And so that's kind of how it happened. And then I was tutored, I guess, in giving your life away through college. You wouldn't think that going to a secular university would do that but it was a great greenhouse of, you know, speaking, speaking in different places, leading Bible Studies in the dorms, the outreaches we did, and we were just involved in a lot of people's lives and, and got to see changed lives. We just had, I got to see a lot of cool things. And, frankly, these days, I even hear back from people now from those years who are having a tremendous impact in the world, the Christian world, who I had a chance to influence when they were their pastors, missionaries, they're leaders of ministries that started 30, 40 years ago. It's kind of like real estate in the sense yeah, if you just buy early and you hold for a long time, good things will typically happen and the same thing that I was able to plant some seeds early in my life that have grown and they're fun to hear about.
DW: Like compound interest.
DB: It's compound interest. Exactly. And so, fortunately, I sowed some good seeds in other people's lives that have been fruitful. And they've gone way, way beyond where I'm at as far as visibly with their impact on the world. So anyway, I got to see some of that so that it made the decision to join staff in ministry pretty easy. It surely did.
DB: You mentioned barriers. Let me just kind of mention, and you mentioned journey, may this be a good time to go ahead and share some things? Because it's not like when I was 22, I arrived at this and it's all been downhill from there. It's all been pretty easy stuff. No, it's, it's not at all. There's plenty of barriers. My heart at times feels like it's a puppy dog that just kind of runs off, and it gets its nose into stuff. And you know, and I just go, "Where's your heart going?" And that's, you know, Psalm 23, or Proverbs 23 forces you to guard your heart. And that's a great verse, I have to intentionally guard my heart because I find it wandering off into other things and distracted.
DB: I think one of the things that bury most of his face is, is the society, that very society we live in. That we are basically in a swamp of materialism and we're waist deep. And if we don't recognize that and look for higher ground, we won't even realize what's happening around us. We need to recognize where that's at and seek out higher ground. I remember back in college when I was in a marketing class one day, and we were talking about the CLIO Awards, which are the international awards for marketing, and media primarily. So we sit in class and watch commercials the whole time. And I remember coming out of that class feeling so discontent. Didn't know why, just walking along back to the dorm. Boy, I felt so discontent about, I'm missing out on everything in life. And it dawned on me that it's because I've been watching for the last 30 minutes or last hour everything I don't have. I couldn't put my finger on it. But I think we live in a society that gears us toward discontentment with what we have.
DW: Absolutely. Yeah, I was reading a statistic recently that Americans during the holidays, because we're coming up on Christmas and everything during the Christmas season, we, Americans, spend I think it's $600 billion just on you know, gifts and holiday things. And it's like, you know, could that be put to better use?
DB: Yeah, absolutely. That's funny. You had mentioned Christmas because another scene from my background of discontentment was, our church which is located near where we're at, for years, we would go to the Christmas Eve service. And then, we would on the way home, we were stopped by a fairly nice, actually a very nice neighborhood on the south end of town, and we would drive around. We would go there because the lights were so good. People, these were young affluent people and the lights were so good and we would go there and drive around for a while and enjoy the lights and stuff and go home.
DB: Well, you know, the funny thing is, I get to my house and feel like, oh, man, I live in a dump. You know, look at the lights; the lights are bad. It's not very big. It's not very attractive. I get very discontent when I got to my house and realized it was simply what we had been looking at for a while. And the funny thing is, in this particular neighborhood, they've since taken this, there was some bywords underneath the name of the neighborhood which will remain nameless, but underneath the sign going back in the 80s and the 90s were the words - the enviable address. And doggone it, it was, for me. Because when I left there and went home I was I was envious of what they had. They did a great job.
DB: You know the funny thing is we never did this. We stopped doing that by the way. We just - this does not work. It's not good for our kids for that matter, either. I think they probably were like, gee, Dad, we should be living there. You know, the thing we should have done, realistically, don't think we ever did, was we should have left our church and gone down to a neighborhood that was underserved or poor, whatever terminology you want to use. But anyway, small homes, maybe needing repair, blah, blah blah, and then go and drove around for 20 minutes there. That's what we should do. And by the time we got home, we'd be thinking, well, I live in a castle. I got a 1600-square-feet and a garage, man, I'm doing well.
DB: So it's kind of what you expose yourself to there. And that would be a, that might be a word I would say is, exposure is the key to commitment. I'm not sure if I came up with that, or someone else. But I've shared that with people along the way. That whatever you regularly expose yourself to, is going to be what you find yourself committed to. And if you don't find a way of breaking out of materialistic society, and expose yourself to something else, you're just gonna be sucked in, you're gonna stay in the swamp and not realize your feet are getting ripple and curl from the water. It's just, it's just gonna happen.
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DW: This concludes part one with David Burton. See you next time for another episode of The Kingdom Investor Podcast.
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